Comments: you're really dumb. if you don't like the ib don't make your kids do it. otherwise don't spread your ignorance to others. maybe if you did the ib you wouldn't be so damn stupid. its understandable that you feel inferior because you didn't do the ib, because you are inferior. shame you blatantly display this on a website though. people like you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion honestly. you're a disgrace. so much inconsistency in your website completely proving your incompetence to have passed the ib which further proves your pathetic motive for making this website. sad life you have. had a good laugh reading your website though, thanks for the amusement. you're very obviously a mind slave to your backwards american system and so i pity you for all that you are. however, do try to have a nice day. i'd suggest however that you save yourself further embarrassment and delete your website. you're a laughing stock among anyone with any sign of intelligence, but you wouldn't know anything about that. evidently. (anonymous)
First Name: Thomas Last Name: Aquinas Address Line 1: 1221 Boardway City: Denver State: CO Zip Code: 80209 Country: USA E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: Just glad to know that you are human and therefore you will die before too long and future generations can move past your filth.
Comments: (Anonymous) Okay, you guys have the brain capacity of a six year old child's mucus. The IB diploma got me into colleges that my GPA ever could. get your damn facts straight, u probably failed the damn IB and this is your way of trying to show what you "can do." Fools. Enough said.
First Name: Steven Last Name: Taylor Address Line 1: City: St. Regis State: New York Zip Code: Country: United States of America E-mail Address: Comments: Hello there!
My name is Steven and I am a graduate of the IB Diploma Programme. I am a conservative and many of my political views are probably as far to the right as your own. The IB Diploma Programme is, in my opinion, an outstanding educational program. The IB's concept of "Global Citizenship" is actually nothing new in the United States or the world. The great philosopher Socrates said "I am not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world." The idea of global citizenship is taught in many traditional classrooms as well as by the Boy Scouts of America through their "Citizenship in the World" merit badge that is currently an Eagle Scout requirement. I'd like to respectfully disagree with a few of the ideas about the IB that you seem to hold. I will address each of the following in a paragraph: IB students have no life, there is no real academic usefulness for the IB program, the costs of the IB program outweigh its benefits, and finally the IB program brainwashes its students with anti-American propaganda. While some students in IB who struggle with poor time management or organisational skills may not be involved in a great number of extracurricular activities, the average IB student is, in fact, very involved in their school. When I was in high school, I was involved in many school activities. I was on the varsity soccer and lacrosse teams for all four years in high school. I was in Mu Alpha Theta (Math Honor Society), as well as National Honor Society (I was the president), Student Government (I was the treasurer for all four years in high school for my class), the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and the Health Science club (a club intended for students interested in health careers). I was in the school band for all for years in high school as well, I was the drumline section leader and percussion captain during marching season and the first chair trumpet player in our school's top concert ensemble during concert season. I am a Roman Catholic and was heavily involved in my parish church during high school and I still am today; during high school, I was a lector, an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, an altar server, and in my parish choir as an instrumentalist. I also taught religious education and was a vacation Bible school camp counsellor. I volunteered as a tutor for middle and high school students, both IB and non IB. I also volunteered in my local hospital's emergency room and worked there my senior year in high school as a triage tech. I was a Boy Scout; I was a member of the Order of the Arrow and I earned my Eagle Scout badge while I was in the IB. I was a Cub Scout denmaster and I hope to be a scoutmaster soon. I was the rule, rather than the exception for IB students. My wife (we married very young, right out of high school) and all of my friends who were in IB were as involved, or even more involved in school activities than I was. The IB Diploma Programme was instrumental in my university preparation. My teachers were outstanding which, I will concede, is an advantage that unfortunately all students do not have. My band and IB music teacher, my IB HL chemistry teacher, and my IB HL psychology teachers were more than just teachers to me. They were mentors, parents even, since both of my parents passed away before I was 15. The IB's unique structure of two year HL course sequences allows for bonds to be forged between teachers and students which I believe leads to superior instruction. All of my IB teachers were outstanding instructors who prepared me not only for the IB exam but also for higher-level college coursework. Due to IB, AP, and Dual Enrolment with a nearby university, I graduated from high school two credits away from earning my bachelors degrees in Mathematics, Public Health, and Music. Not only did the IB give me that opportunity, but it also prepared me academically to start taking gradua! te courses toward my Doctor of Nursing Practice almost immediately proceeding my high school graduation. In my school district, the school paid for almost all costs associated with the IB program. Many students in my district, including myself, lived below the poverty level. Without the district paying for assessment and testing fees, the IB would have been off-limits to many students who could have benefited from it. The teachers in my school's IB programme were already employed by the school. The teachers volunteered to receive extra training to become IB teachers. The band director, who had degrees in music performance, theory, and education taught IB music. The AP Psychology teacher who was a Licensed Mental Health Counsellor and maintained her own private practice took on the responsibility of teaching IB HL and SL psychology. The IB Chemistry teacher, who was a biochemist, taught IB HL and SL chemistry as well as AP and honors chemistry. In short, the rule of thumb at my school was to find the most qualified teachers who were already employed by the school and approach ! them about volunteering to teach in the IB programme. The teachers received no stipend or pay raise for teaching IB, so they came at no extra cause for the school. I come from a military family and both of my parents died from service related causes, one was killed overseas and one committed suicide due to complications of PTSD and depression caused by their military service. I am as American as it gets, in fact I recently moved back to the Indian reservation I was born on. I can't stand people or groups who "trash" the United States and stir up anti-American sentiment. The IB's idea of global citizenship doesn't tell you to give up cultural or national identity. As it was taught at my school at least, the IB wants its students to simply have concern and respect for their fellow man regardless of sex, creed, national origin, or sexual orientation. The IB teaches tolerance, a trait that Christ himself seemed to back. The IB says that we should have concern for our fellow man, help them when we can, and fight for basic human rights. The IB doesn't turn people into Marxist atheists, instead it teaches it's students to be concerned citizen! s, to understand that all men have basic rights, and to realise that they must do their part to ensure all are treated fairly and equally. I do apologise for the length of my "comment," I suppose it is more of an essay than a comment. I strongly support the IB program, and I hope my respectful commentary prompts you to give the program's merit some thought in the future.
Thank you and God Bless,
TAIB received the following essay from an unusually polite IB student, so we are pleased to feature it here:
Thanks again for the opportunity to submit, here is my essay:
Junior at an IB school
Respectfully submitted 04/6/12
IB Lovin’ It
My name is Nancy. I am a high school junior and I am also a member of the international baccalaureate program. My experience with IB began with my two older brothers, who went through the program before me. Every night we would sit down for dinner at the kitchen table, and my parents would ask them what they had learned in school that day. When they responded that they had made aspirin and then calculated it’s theoretical yield in HL Chemistry or gave an oral analysis of the poems of Langston Hughes in HL English, I became even more excited to join the IB program. It seemed intellectually stimulating as well as socially advantageous – my brothers always had a tight group of smart, polite friends that my parents loved to have over.
This year I experienced my first year of full IB, and I could not be happier to be in such an excellent, well-rounded program. In my town we have five high schools. My school used to be the ‘ghetto’ school – it was where the druggies and derelicts went. The school actually almost shut down. When the IB program was offered in Springfield, none of the other schools would accept it. However, my school that was desperate to remain open, decided to give it a try. Now we attract the best and the brightest because of IB. In fact, the other high schools (which have AP programs) complain that we take all of their good students.
There are a plethora of reasons why I love International Baccalaureate. I have many friends at the other high schools who enjoy their AP classes, and I think that AP classes can be very beneficial. However, it is my firm belief that IB takes high school education to another level.
The primary goal of the IB program is to create a well-rounded young individual, and that is exactly what it does. We are required to take classes in differing areas so that we can learn about a variety of subjects. The IB tests encourage us to analyze material and think critically, rather than simply memorizing facts and figures. The AP exams are comprised of far more multiple choice ‘memorization’ type questions than the IB exams, which favor essays.
The teaching styles teach students critical thinking skills as well. For example, I recently had a discussion about birthright citizenship…in Spanish. We are not memorizing verb tenses, but rather actually holding conversations. In Chemistry we do not do worksheets every class, but participate in interactive labs.
The additional benefits to the IB program that AP lacks are the Theory of Knowledge (TOK) class, the Internal Assessments (IAs) and the Extended Essay (EE). TOK teaches students about how we think, including in-depth exploration into the 4 ways of knowing (emotion, reason, sense perception, and language). The Internal Assessments are papers we are required to write for our classes where we can write on a thesis question of our choosing. For example, my IA topic for history is: ‘To what extent did the CIA intentionally manipulate “modern culture” throughout Western Europe during the Cold War?’ Finally, the extended essay is an approximately 4,000 word paper on a subject of our choosing (mine is on how economics effects happiness, studying the GDPs of different countries and comparing them to overall citizen life-satisfaction levels). All of these things contribute to creating well-rounded, knowledgeable individuals.
That’s the basic (I could go on for pages) gist of the educational benefits I believe the IB program offers me. Additionally, I would like to say that all of my teachers in IB have been incredible. They are absolutely dedicated to their field, and their students.
Now, with the amount of academic rigor IB demands, you might assume that I would have little time for socializing or participating in extracurricular activities. My extracurriculars include: founder of the Teen to Teen program to help mentor and tutor homeless youth, Student Council (former class President), Key Club President, Cabinet, Girls for Good (started by an innovative IB student, this program supports the development of women across the globe), FBLA (I placed 3rd in two events at districts this year), debate (I am a state and national qualifier), National Honor Society, Model UN, the Local Ideas Festival, the IB Ambassador program, Relay for Life, a varsity ice hockey team, and Walk to Defeat ALS.
Simply put, the argument that an IB student does not have time to have a ‘life’ is a misconception. Certainly, our academic schedule is hard, and can be quite stressful. However, IB gives me the opportunity to receive an excellent education, learn time management skills, and get very involved in my school. In terms of socializing, I am able to be in classes with other students who are interested in learning, and that is one of my favorite parts of the IB program. My peers are interested, as I am, in global affairs, current events, and the accumulation of knowledge. We debate at the lunch table, and read books in the library together. At many other schools you would be ostracized for such behavior but because of the IB program we are socially accepted.
As I have seen on the ‘truthaboutIB’ website, there are examples of where certain teachers or administrators in specific districts have not been able to successfully implement the IB curriculum, and have failed us in their duty to educate. However, the irrefutable fact is that every educational type, from ‘regular classes’ to AP, has issues. The argument should not be about whether IB was successful in every single classroom, in every single school, but rather if the general curriculum and lessons it offers are beneficial to high school education.
Certainly, there are issues with IB - a few addressed on this site include cost, elimination of choice, and the promotion of an ‘Anti-American’ agenda. In terms of choice I certainly don’t think IB is good for all schools. In my town there are 4 other schools with honors and AP programs that students can attend. Furthermore, at my school you can still take honors classes if you do not want to join the IB program. Therefore, choice is upheld.
The only cost my family has had to pay on behalf of IB is the testing costs which are a few hundred dollars. Otherwise, there is no major cost to us. The original teachers at my school were trained to teach IB – we didn’t hire expensive teachers from other parts of the country. My school still has money for things that help both IB and non-IB students. We have a special education program, a nursery for teenage mothers, and excellent debate, theater, and choir programs. The cost is in no way excessive for my area.
The issue I have the largest problem with is the ‘anti-American’ agenda. First of all, to clear up any misnomers, we do learn aspects of American history. This year my history class has covered from WWI to the Cold War. We learn history from a global perspective insofar as we look at the leaders, issues, and actions of more than nations that solely the US. Right now we are learning about Sino-Soviet relations. Learning material from a global perspective helps to make us more globally aware. Does it make us less American? Certainly not.
Hopefully in my description of the academic, extracurricular, and social advantages, IB can be seen in a more positive light. IB is absolutely NOT right for EVERY school. However, when implemented correctly, I find it to be an absolutely amazing program that has furthered my education significantly. The bottom line is, as a student in the program, I am amazed by the opportunities it has given me. I hope that the IB program in my area continues to give students the chance to learn, grow, and become well-rounded individuals.
2012 IB Student Comments
Comments: I'm not sure if I should be sending this here, or if there is another spot in order to send in comments...
This is my first year in the IB Programme, and yes, it is a difficult programme, but there must be some differences because of geographic locations. I think that IB can be a great programme and I have learned to adapt to this new type of school and what is expected of me. It seems clear to me that there must be some people on here who are upset with IB, it could be because they did not make it and now they are out to make sure that this programme gets exposed because it ruined their lives. IB has taught me to prioritize my time and become a better student. I will admit, I am not perfect, but give me a definition of "perfect", give me an example of "perfect". This site is too biased with respect to letting the "concerned citizens of the United State of America", but what about other countries like Canada, England, India, etc. IB does promote "international thinkers", right? If this comment does not get posted on this site, then there must be some ethnocentric people running ! this site because I am a Canadian posting a comment about an INTERNATIONAL programme on an American site.
First Name: A Current Last Name: IB Student Address Line 1: N/A City: N/A State: N/A Zip Code: N/A Country: N/A E-mail Address: N/A Comments:
The greatest gift that IB has given to me is teaching me to think for myself. I have not been 'brainwashed', as many letters posted on your site claim. IB teaches you to be a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the United States. But with saying that, I love being an American. IB is not un-American; it simply includes a worldview. However, IB showed me to question my beliefs, and in doing so, I realized how strong they were and did not turn into a socialist as you insinuate. I was a conservative Christian before who loved my country, and I remain unchanged and unwavering in my beliefs. You claim that IB forces their own views onto the students, but something huge I have been taught in all of my classes is to challenge and question everything IB teaches us. That way I can decide what I believe with much stronger justification. So if you have a problem with this concept, then that speaks volumes about your faith in your beliefs. If your thoughts and values cannot with! stand questioning and scrutinizing, why do you stick to them so strongly?
Another valuable thing IB has taught me is to look from every viewpoint. For example, in my Theory of Knowledge class, in our oral presentations, there are always some criteria involving spending equal amounts of time on both sides of an issue. Without this, our presentation would have a large bias. We are encouraged to express our personal belief on the matter, something I never came across in my non-IB classes. I would like to compare this to your style of presenting information. You
I am not in any way claiming that IB is superior to AP or any other programs, merely that it is not as horrible as you claim. IB is not for everyone. I understand that, and I am not saying that those who take IB are superior. I have many friends who are in the AP program and absolutely love it as much as I love being in IB. I believe this diversity is a good thing. Quite frankly, I have not taken any AP courses, but I think AP and IB arenÂ’t as different as you present them to be. In fact, at our high school, AP Chemistry is combined with IB HL Chemistry II, and students in both programs do well on their different tests.
Another gift IB has given me is the knowledge of how little I actually know. It teaches me that it is okay to be wrong. Now if this ever does get posted on your website, which might be doubtful considering it contains no death threats or foul language, you might be tempted to take that last sentence out of context and make me look just plain ridiculous. But please allow me to explain. If something I write in an essay are my own personal thoughts and ideas, and are wrong, I would much rather have that then put memorized concepts into my writing. What happens when I get a job in my selected field and have to start coming up with my own original ideas? If I donÂ’t have a teacher or textbook to inform me of the correct answers, how will I succeed? By identifying where I am wrong, I can grow even stronger thoughts and ideas. There is so much in our world that we do not understand or know, so to uncover this new information we must be okay with being wrong. This philosophy goes a! gainst our culture, where being wrong is a sign of weakness and pride often gets in the way.
I actually spent a good amount of time exploring your site, and I am slightly unclear on your overall message. I cannot seem to put all of it together into one cohesive argument. You present multiple strong arguments, I will admit to that, but you do not offer the countering point of view, which makes me hesitate in digesting your viewpoint. Ironically, it is quite apparent you are against the IB program, as one of the many useful skills I have developed in this program is the ability to create a cohesive argument, tying together all my evidence.
I have been in an IB school since Kindergarten, so I do not know what it is like to learn not in an IB program. I am admitting to that, something else IB has taught me to do. When we are looking at a certain viewpoint, we are taught to find the values AND limitations.
Thank you for considering my viewpoint and I hope you takes the time to think about these points. I realize I said I used philosophies I learned in IB to question your website that is against IB. I invite you to find holes in the ideas I have presented as I think there very well may be. You may see this disclaimer of sorts as a weakness of my letter, but I see it as strength. I am not arrogant enough to spew out all of my ideas, and then claim they are the only right answers!! I see the value of different opinions, which is something that you could largely benefit from.
I would love a response from your organization, as I am eager to see your argument as I mentioned earlier I do not understand some of it. I sincerely want to understand your opinions, as I feel any flaws in the IB Program would greatly affect me.
I would also like to point out on your section named Â‘In Defense of IBÂ’, you proceed to mock and ridicule someone who does not agree with your viewpoint. That was a very nice touch. And then add even more letters that bash on IB.
First Name: Captain Last Name: America Address Line 1: America Ln City: America State: America Zip Code: America Country: America E-mail Address: Comments: Well first I would like to say that I thoroughly enjoyed your website and i think that the information is extremely true therefore you are a stupid bitch who's son probably was inbred and couldn't cope with the workload or the intellectual content... This is why they invented the AP system for special American like you and your son/daughter who is retarded. It is for the people of lower intelligence (hence basically all Americans) and that is why Canada is superior. Because Canada's education system actually values the IB because they are SMART not like you Americans... So therefore you are nonsensical (sorry too big of a word for a small American brain).
Sincerely an IB student who is smart enough to actually get his diploma unlike you inbred trailer-trash.
Comments: I'm an IB student. I will not swear in my comment just to give you the satisfaction of posting this as proof that IB produces mentally unstable, brainwashed terrorists. My only point is that if at some point no one had made a change to traditional way of doing things, the lives of all American citizens would have been different from what there is today. Women would not be allowed to vote, African Americans would still be slaves, you would all be the subject to the Queen of England. Why is something different- socialist, liberal, ecological- so bad? Why can they not be acceptable, why should there not be a choice for American kids? The traditional American system still throws out all kinds of people- centrists, liberals, green peacers, pot heads- and there is nothing wrong with that, because we should all be allowed to choose and develop our own views of the world and what happens in there. I understand that the future will be in my hands and in the hands of my gene! ration, and all I want for my generation is to make the world, not just the US, better. Maybe what the world needs are people with a world view.
Comments: 1. It's "we're," NOT were. Fix that because your stupidity just adds stupidity to what you're trying to do(: Also, it's website, not "web site." I bet you people are from the South. I've heard it's rough there. I'm truly embarrassed for you, that you really think anyone gives two shits about your cause seeing as there are many more important problems in this country than getting rid of an outstanding, internationally minded, academic program. At least the IB taught me how to form sentences with correct grammar...seems like whatever you took in high school didn't do that for you/: /: Must be hard to be so dumb, so angry. Your site is ugly, your cause is stupid. However, best of luck to you people. People like you are the reason why the U.S. is so behind in academics.
Comments: Hello there, I see that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about when you say that IB has a socialist agenda and Marxist views. Chances are that you will not post this comment because I am countering your beliefs and views, but you really don't see the point of IB and you are really not doing it justice. And please don't compare IB to a quote "dead language" because it is not dead and is so much more than that. The IB is a program to better prepare students for University life and for life outside of their own environment. It allows students the possibility to become better students, better people and world citizens. It is not to start communist revolutions, it let's the students decide what they want to do with the world they shall soon be an active part of. It allows these students the possibility to express themselves in whatever way they choose, and if that way is by creating a play about business' taking over smaller companies, then so be it. I am an IB student and my CAS! credit will be completed by teaching Karate to children with mental and physical handicaps. This is one of my passions, and I do not have to have Marxist views in order to want to help, in order to want to care. Thank you.
Comments: Have you been in IB? Do you know what we are taught, how we view the world? Do YOU know what a golbal citizen is? Don't give me nonsense crap about the dictionary definition. You do not fully understand the rpogram, what it offers, and what we, as students, gain. That young lady that posted a letter concerning your "slander" so to speask as she put it, was in her every right to say what she said, and I for one, agree with her. You do not understand what we do. We learn tolerance and many other skills that may not be comrehended by anyone but someone who has been in the prgram for the totality of their high school education. I actually gained an education, whereas I wish I could say the same for my non- IB friends at school.
I am a moderately conservative, christian student who graduated with an IB diploma, but also took AP courses. As a freshman in college, I am more prepared, more sociable, and more well rounded than most of my peers who had not even heard of IB before I explained it to them. As an engineering student I can say to my professors and future employers "Yes, I can look at data, analyze it, write out my findings on paper, and explain them to people." English is a skill that appears to be lacking in the engineering world. Many of my friends have trouble writing and expressing their findings orally. While they were taking the most difficult AP science and math classes, I was taking the most difficult IB science and math classes along with the hardest English and language classes. I owe my well rounded personality to IB and it's already helping me in life.
The thing that aggravates me the most about this website is the title. Truth about IB? The first tab I clicked on (Breaking IB News and Views) was riddled with bias and a comment on one story said that students were forced into membership in the IB programme. This is simply not true, just because the IB English HL class was the only class offered does not mean at all that students were forced to pay a membership fee or forced to be a diploma candidate. If a high school offers only that course with no AP or Regents alternatives, IB is forced to let a student take the course without having to take the test. If we keep on examining down the line, in the AP v. IB section, the oh so credible Reno High School Administrator states that a vast majority of US institutions prefer AP to IB. This is undoubtedly true, however, in order to gain a wider perspective on the view of AP v. IB, perhaps the scope should include a world view. Of the top ten most intelligent countries in the world! , the only country in which AP is preferred in universities is the United States. Every institution in the nine other countries prefers IB to AP. In the fees section, I don't see how it's wrong to charge someone for a commodity that only IB offers: the commodity being a ticket to international universities. In fact, that is exactly how capitalism works. Moving on down to the costs of the feasibility study; Dr. Chris' email says it all. As for the next link, I actually don't think MYP and PYP is a good idea either. You cite article 3.2 from IB's regulations which basically says IB owns a students work. While this is true, the same thing happens in universities across the world. If a student publishes under a professor, the professor conducting the research gets credit for the student's findings. So, you might as well take down the collegiate system while you're at it. The students with disabilities section was especially laughable. The differences that you came up with are m! inute and don't really prove that a person in a special education prog ram has a disadvantage in IB. In the first place, IB tests aren't made to take the whole time. You can easily finish them in three quarters of the time with sufficient studying. Adding on an extra 25% is kind of overkill, even when dealing with a disabled student. On the other hand, AP tests are made to take longer than the time allotted, so it would only make sense that a special education student gets more extra time on an AP test than an IB test. Also, I can see that the time difference is your only real biff with IB's regulations, so you don't need to add general statements like "AP information is far more transparent and easier to locate than IB's." They don't mean anything. Moving on, I found in the How Are IB Exams Graded? section that you open with two questions that aren't answered. Strange. What this section is really about is the qualifications of the examiners. I hope you realize this someday, but this is exactly how College Board picks their examiners as well. T! hey are usually secondary ed. teachers who have been teaching AP curriculum for a while. Also, when IB says "MANY" of they examiners are high IB teachers, the other examiners that they don't refer to are professors who have their doctorates that aren't teaching in high schools, they are teaching in colleges. One of my personal favorites is your IB is Unconstitutional section where Michael Barry tries to prove IB is unconstitutional. His so called 'brilliant' analysis of the IB programme is nothing but fallacious reasoning comparing the IB programme in schools to religion in schools. IB is clearly not a religion and it is ridiculous to think so. Also, everybody knows that tea party activists are insane (this coming from a conservative christian). This next string of sections under Hidden Curriculum is kind of confusing. You take things like being partnered with UNESCO and UNICEF, and celebrating Earth Day (not exactly sure why Castro deserved any awards), and make them into ! bad things when really, they aren't. Also, why do your sample lessons all come from one school? That sure is a hasty generalization to make, that all IB taught curriculum looks like that. Maybe if you actually did your research, you would find out that IB lesson plans teach many of the same things as other classes lesson plans. I see from your section on TOK that you have clearly missed the point of the class. The point of TOK is to teach students how to justify their beliefs and thoughts properly, not to bombard them with socialist propaganda. If anything, after taking TOK I was able to more strongly justify my beliefs in God as well as other topics dealing with abortion, cloning, monogamy, and evolution. Nobody forced me to believe that socialism is good at all, or that intelligent design is stupid. I also don't understand what you find so disgusting in IB's choices in literature. IB teachers choose a lot of the same books any high school teachers choose; they're world literature classics. This is only a first glance quick analysis of your w! ebsite. If you'd like, I could spend the time to find more fallacies within your text, but honestly, this is getting kind of old.
Oh, just a side note - when you have IB History students take an AP History test, of course they'll fail, it's a different class. Maybe to make the study more credible, the AP students should take an IB History of the Americas HL test. We'll see how many pass. Have credible statistics when you try to make IB students seem dumb. It's kind of pathetic.
Furthermore, I am appalled that you consider yourselves concerned citizens of the United States of America. America is a nation built on other cultures, without which, America would be unsuccessful and, in my opinion, boring. Our current education system isn't working and any truly concerned citizen of the United States of America would recognize that it needs to change. What I'm reading from this website is a call to shun any new ideas or proposals for change in our education system, when really, we should be taking these ideas and integrating them into our education system in order to make it better. You should be ashamed of yourselves for discouraging the furthering of education in the United States of America.
-A truly concerned citizen of the United States of America
Comments: I would like to bring to your attention, like I'm sure many have in the past, how blasphemous your website is and how inaccurate your facts are. I don't care if you believe in a god, it is a personal right of every human being on this planet to believe in whatever they chose to believe in. And that, my friend, is why IB could teach you something - you could use some cultural infusion
Comments: Wow great site - i have seen this work for expat students living overseas. In that situation its great to enable them to apply to a university in their home country particularly great Britain and the US. I dont see why we would do it in our own country - There are plus and minus- Love the extremes on your website - some need the deliverance banjo`s on the background. See no iB still have an international sense of humour.
I am an enraged IB student who greatly disagrees with the statements you have been posting on your website. As biased you are about IB, I must admit that your website is very impressive with all of the information that it contains. As impressive as it is, it is not true. Here is how I found your website:
I am writing a manifesto on the problems of bullying, an assignment that I must turn in to my IB school. I am on an online site where I can chat with my friends about schoolwork and what our homework is. As I search through, a girl who also attends my school posts your site about how biased you are and your hatred towards IB. Every single person who goes to my school can see your website and how false it really is. Although your website contains information that may be true about what schools drop IB and what recently happened about IB, it adds an opiniated comment that is completely unecessary.
If you really think about it, you must waste a vast amount of time preparing and creating this site for news and updates about IB. It is hard to imagine that you do not spend a great amount of time distributing emails and researching "information" about IB. You are wasting your own time. You could be doing something productive with your life. What school did you go to that seems so much better than IB? What do other schools do that make IB seem terrible and wretched? I have seen the comments that other enraged IB students and parents have made and I have to admit that I am just like them. Imagine what it would be like to go to a website all about how your own school is bad and why it is the worst and ultimate deceiver. You are just full of conceit and perhaps a jealousy fills you with envy. I know that you are going to deny this claim, but I just have to write it to you.
My mother and father are very proud of my work that I have been doing and completing in the IB programme. It makes me more aware of my place in the world and how I can help out as what I would like to call a "global citizen". I think more about others and I think your videos about the learner profile traits are completely biased and full of communist remarks. I, in no way possible, envy you and your ill will for downgrading IB and all of its aspects.
You are probably going to point out everything wrong in this email, claiming that I am just conceited myself, blinded by my own "liking" to IB. I have to say that IB has been the best school I have ever seen, with less problems and more learning than other schools in my area. I look up and research things about IB, and all of the wbsites are positive except for your negative comments that are completely and utterly opiniated in every way. I know this may seem like another email from an outraged student, and I know that I may not be the first one to say all of this to you, but I know one thing.
That you can't handle the prestigious rank that IB achieves and attains throughout their years of teaching and learning.
I am not afraid to confront you with this issue because I know that you are just going to deny it all anyway, with a backlash that you would think even greater than mine. You will probably spend time thinking about this email, and hopefully you write a little something of your own in a way of a reply as I would love to hear more of your negative opinions.
I would absolutely be pleased to see what you can come up with to change my mind...because guess what?
You won't change my mind and the feeling I have towards IB. I believe that IB is a school where students enjoy coming to learn. I feel that IB can offer rigorous and challenging class that will help you all throughout your whole life. I have seen recent comments about how IB makes you take core classes that aren't going to be needed, and I understand your reasoning behind that. But you can't slam on IB for what it has become and what it shall be.
Now, I am just a 7th grader who attends an IB school, enraged about your comments and somewhat stupid appearance of your site. But I am not afraid to use my voice and speak my opinions through a strongly worded email.
I just cannot believe the gall of you, creating a site about something that is completely full of opinions and NO facts. You may underline and highlight this email with tons of annotations saying that I am wrong and that you do not feel this way, but it doesn't matter because I stand by my opinion and what I believe is informative about this "issue".
I have taken my own time to write you this email. I am actually sitting on the floor of my bedroom, reading a book, and doing my math homework, all due tomorrow for my impressive and high-ranking IB school. I know that I did not have to write this email, but I felt it as a need to get my feelings out about what a demonstrative "beast" I think you are. I know that I may be getting wordy, and lengthy but I feel it necessary to get my opinion across to you that you are just a conceited, blunt, opiniated, insolent, little writer with nothing better to do than sit at your computer and type up what everyone calls "biased information" about IB.
As you can see from this email, I am not writing you to receive false, negative, and opiniated updates about IB, nor am I asking a question about IB that you would answer in a completely biased way.
I love IB and everyone it, including my friends, teachers, and those who try hard every day to achieve their dreams.
IB may not be what you call "perfect", but its definitely perfect to me and all of my fellow students who probably disagree with every single word on your stupid website.
I hope you are happy with your website, Lisa McLoughlin, because it does nothing but show the world how ignorant you are to new concepts and global ideas.
Have fun with your dull, lifless, ignorant, conceited, blunt, negative, opiniated, and "cultural" life that you will be living.
I hope you are happy, because I know that your email doesnt make me happy one bit.
Leave all "IBers" alone and let them live their careers with satisfaction and prestige, because I will remember this stupid website for the rest of my IB curriculum.
Best of luck to your boring, uncultural life,
IB Student Comment - 2011
It has been awhile since TAIB has bothered to post any comments from IB students because unfortunately, they are fairly redundant and boring. An e-mail came in this morning (without a return address, of course) which was pitiful enough that it bears reproducing. TAIB would like to emphasize once again that it is not our intent to pick on IB students. We believe they are the victims of this program and hope that by showing you their own words, this becomes crystal clear.
First Name: Cannot Last Name: Say Address Line 1: Like City: I State: Would Zip Code: Give Country: My E-mail Address: Address Comments: I would just like to say that for students of the IB program, IB is an utopia. I speak from first hand experience. I shadowed in a regular school program and I for one would not be able to last. Not because it was too hard but quite the opposite. In fact, the class was so slow I can truthfully say I felt that I was losing brain cells. IB pushes students to their limits to learn more and motivates us to try our best. We learn more than other clases and we have more opportunities than other schools, since IB schools are rquired to have many AP classes available. Once in college, we are familar with the work load and are able to keep up. Other classes sugar coat the material and work load. In addition, other countries have IB programs. If IB was so wrong, why do these other countries have higher scores than the US. It is obvious, then, that if we were to eliminate IB completly then the US will fall further behind. Adding, IB at Bartow High has been in the top 10% of b! est high schools in America. What is the percentile range of the school you attend? If IB is so incredibly wrong, then, why are the scores and success rates so high? Just because you would not be capable of getting in at your age even if you were in high school with the same knowledge you currently have does not mean that you must crucify a program that many would not be able to live without. I am sorry that you IQ is so low that you must project your anger at an incredible program. I hope that someday you shall reach self-actualization and be happy with who you are instead of focusing vital energy into a school program that does not affect you. P.S.: You are obviously over the hill which means that soon you will be too old to continue this weird movement. Would not it be better for you to focus your remaining energy into enjoying life and not being full of hate?
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In an effort to be fair and balanced, TAIB is providing a section for pro-IB readers to have their voices heard. The comments received in TAIB's e-mail are unedited. (WARNING - some comments contain offensive language and may not be appropriate for younger readers.) The New York Timesran an article on IB on July 2, 2010, in which it linked TAIB. The resulting onslaught of hate mail from IB students and IB supporters would have been frightening, if it wasn't so predictable. We will share most of those comments with you here. A few we simply deleted as they were merely repeats of previous e-mails calling us "fucking retards". (please excuse the formatting, had difficulty with words running off the page) - Enjoy! _______________________________________________________________________________________________ First Name: Dr. Kirsten Last Name: Davies Address Line 1: 29 Taft Corners City: Burlington, State: VT Zip Code: 05450 Country: USA E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: As a professor of anthropology who grew up in France, the child of an American father and a French mother, I cannot recomment the IB enough. No matter what its original roots, the reality is, it is TOUGH. only the top students can complete the IB. Its a shame you wish to allow a misconstrued political agenda to keep your children from having a world class education. Then again, your children probably wouldn't be able to handle the academic rigours of the program, which prepares the best of the best. AP is just memorization. IB teaches you truly how to analayse and THINK. Just a thought. Kirsten Davies, PhD
First Name: Thomas Last Name: Courtright Address Line 1: City: Duluth State: MN Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: I am an American student who lived in and studied in Tanzania. I did the IB. I came back to the states, and realized why our democracy doesn't work as well as people want to believe. It's missing the essential ingredient; a well-educated and interested electorate! You idiots! You think IB is anti-US? You're opposed to it because you're afraid of the rest of the world! You're afraid that one of these days, you'll realize that the US is not the only country in the world! My best friends have been Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jain. Yellow, brown, white and black. speaking every language available. And you're scared, you're scared little children who don't want to walk out the front door, who don't realize that responsibility comes with being an american! and that responsibility is to wake the fuck up, and go out and not be a closeted, scared, ignorant, naive dumbass who is scared the rest of the world won't like him. You shame me. This is why I had doubts about going to the US for Uni.
First Name: Duke Last Name: Morton Address Line 1: 10501 Wilshire 1702 City: Los Angeles State: CA Zip Code: 90024 Country: USA E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: The US school system already has a horrible reputation for teaching nothing to its students. 200 million chinese nad indians are waiting on the sidelines and could not care less about the AP programs. Shouldnt you guys wake up? 95% of those welcomed by Lady Liberty are from third world countries and are even less literate than those who came here 100 years ago. Their children need to be given a chance to compete with those Indians and Chinese (that have a much better work ethic). There used to be a country that rejected all outside influence as corrupt and dutifully stuck to its system like your view proposes. It was called the Soviet Union. Not sure if the US wants ot end that way..but it is trying pretty hard at it. Is the reason people cannot pronounce "Coeur d'Alene" the result of the AP system too? Even drop outs can prononuce "new york" in France.
First Name: Andy Last Name: Keller Address Line 1: 18 Gordon Street City: Cicero State: IL Zip Code: 60634 Country: USA E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: Keep up the good work, the IB Coordinators are a threat to our children. They want to sap our vital fluids.
First Name: Nathan Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: I have noticed you so called "Concerned Citizens of the United States of America" frequently write about your fear of IB's tendency to promote socialism. I question this, because my IB English teacher will not teach Upton Sinclair's The Jungle simply because she finds the latter parts of the book unenjoyable due to, as she puts it, "Sinclair's frequent occasions of preaching Socialism". Oh, and will you kindly refrain from placing random errors into my comment as you have done to others.
First Name: leslie Last Name: robinson Address Line 1: City: State: florida Zip Code: 32503 Country: usa E-mail Address: Comments: my son graduated from an ib program, graduated from uf with a degree in chemistry and now works at an alcoa aluminum spinoff learning about filtering petroleum byproducts. he received a fantastic education. i don't understand what you are saying. my son is a patriot and so am i. what are you?
First Name: Maria Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: I found your site through a link in an article in the NYT. I have found it to be very interesting, especially as an IB alum. Of course, I can't speak for everyone who has gone through the program, but I would have to say that IB did not brainwash me in any way or make me feel like a pariah - I went to a large university and felt very well prepared for the discipline that was necessary to succeed. While participating in the IB program, I participated in band, extracurricular sports, and had a job, and never spent more than 2 hours a day on homework. Nor would I say that the leftist leanings of IB brainwashed me - I was conservative then and have become more so. I understand that other countries do things differently, but that doesn't mean that I think different is better - just that in order to change a person's mind you need to understand how they tick. I just wanted to share my experiences with you. I do think it's important to hear different viewpoints before formulating an opinion, so I appreciate the job you are doing.
Comments: As an education consultant to the employees of Fortune 500 companies, I have found the IB to be a unique and rigorous curriculum that is well known and respected throughout the world. Recently, I became aware of this website and was very surprised to find what appears to be a concerted effort to defame the reputation of the IB. I look forward to reading through the material here and becoming better acquainted with an opposing view. However, I must admit I'm already a little put off by the website's title, which implies that the opinions presented herein constitute "the truth." I can't claim to be the keeper of "the truth," but I suspect that it borrows from all viewpoints and transcends the borders of the USA and a vocal faction of concerned citizens.
I came to your web site to find more information about IB programs. I figured I would start by looking closely at some of the referenced facts. If they checked out, I would view you as credible and use you as a source.I have young children and am planning for their future education. -Charlie
I was absolutely stunned when I read about TAIB in the New York Times this morning.
I too am a born and bred citizen of the United States of America. I am extremely proud to be an American and am very humbled that I was fortunate enough to have been born in the U.S. to parents who are also citizens of the United States of America. But that does NOT excuse me from learning about and trying to understand other cultures, other political systems, other economic systems. It does NOT excuse me from
ignoring those who, through no choice of their own, were unfortunate enough to be born into circumstances most Americans could not survive. We are ALL human beings and as such we are part of ONE tribe and as such we have obligations to each other if for no other reason than for the survival of the tribe itself.
The IB program is extremely challenging. It demands incredible commitment, sacrifice, hard work. It demands thinking outside the box, being creative, stretching one's intellect to grasp concepts alien to our own environment, be it political, social, economic, cultural, or economic. It does NOT demand or even suggest that you agree with other perspectives, cultures, political systems, social systems, economic systems. I.B. only asks you to understand them and be able to intelligently compare, contrast, parse and analyze. If this is socialism, if this is communism, then my education in political science had it all wrong.
The intent of TAIB is so arrogant, so self-righteous, so disgustingly UNPATRIOTIC, so jingoistic, it scares the hell out of me. TAIB is demanding that our educators and our students to timidly stay INSIDE the box, to be indoctrinated in a single, narrowly construed, close-minded, myopic philosophy that consciously promotes and enforces "us" (good old Americans) versus "them" (bad everybody else).
My daughter is an I.B. graduate. She attended a small mid-western college on an academic scholarship and graduated magna cum laude. She is a member of Phi Beta Kappa. She served two years in the Peace Corps in one of the more dangerous and one of the most physically challenging places on earth (Mauritania--do YOU have a clue where Mauritania is? Do YOU know one thing about Mauritania?) where she gave and got in equal measure (which means she learned just as much from the people of Mauritania as she gave to them through her teaching and physically renovating schools). She is now in law school AND a masters program. TAIB would define her as un-American, socialist, an acolyte and uncritical worshipper of the United Nations. TAIB would be utterly wrong. The I.B. program played a big role in shaping her and defining the person she is today. As it turns out, she is way more American, she is way more a practicing American, and way, way more a patriotic American, than any member of TAIB.
Send your kids to school wherever you want but find something better to do than shoving your self-righteous, ignorant and arrogant brain-washing garbage down the throats of other children. Try volunteering ins a soup-kitchen for instance. Believe it or not, there is more to life than being an ignorant American.
First Name: RJ Last Name: Lane Address Line 1: 4930 E. Texas Rd. City: Allentown State: Pa. Zip Code: 18106 Country: Lehigh E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: Don't be ridiculous head in the sanders. The world is round and isolationism is a century out of date. Given the state of our so-called high school public education, we are going down the drain in terms of competitiveness and opportunity unless we are willing to open our eyes. Statue of Liberty is right, but don't misuse it!!!
First Name: Danja Last Name: Address Line 1: City: New York State: Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: concerned citizens of the USA? PUH-LEASE!!!
you do not want your children to learn a way of thinking that would be more than the ignorant way of thinking of MOST of america. Thankfully there are many cities in the states that are not full of ignorance, tha tlike to learn about the world around them, that WANT to leave the bubble of ignorance that is created for them by "concerned" parents. It is not "concerned" parents, it is ignorant and closedminded parents that continue to create the idiots of tomorrow.
The IB is a great way to learn to think outside the box, to understand different view points, work hard and learn about the world along with things about your own country. It is so mindboggling to me that anyone would not want this for their children. The IB really prepared me for what college life would be like, the work load, the effort and gave me good working skills.
How you could not want this for other students is beyond me.
First Name: Wheat Last Name: Williams Address Line 1: 5345 Pinnacle Peak Lane City: Norcross State: GA Zip Code: 30071 Country: United States E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: Dear truthaboutib.com:
Like many people, I learned about your site by reading the recent article in the New York Times.
I've just spent about an hour going through your site and reading your articles, and I want to point out by way of constructive criticism that there are some things you could do better.
Number one, you don't identify who is posting much of this information. "This web site is built and maintained by concerned citizens of the United States of America" is not sufficient. If I read something on the Web, in order that I consider it credible, I need to know the names and locations of the specific people writing it. So please provide the actual names of the editor or editors, or webmasters. Tell us the cities and states where you live. If you are serious about what you are saying, remaining anonymous undermines your credibility.
Secondly, at the risk of my sounding too simplistic, most of your arguments boil down to one or two things: You (anonymous editor) don't like the United Nations, don't want the United States of America to participate in the United Nations, and don't want American schoolchildren exposed to the values or principles of the United Nations. You think that the perspectives and values of people who approve of the United Nations are bad for America's students and you want to prevent America's students from learning about them in any objective or favorable light. You only want America's students to be taught that everything about the United Nations is bad and anti-American by definition. What seems to be implicit is that you are saying that any perspective about the world that originates from outside the United States of America, or any ideas espoused by American citizens who look favorably on other nations or cultures, is also bad.
All of this gives the strong impression that youíve got a very black-and-white, knee-jerk-reaction view of the world. America "good", rest-of-the-world "bad".
I think your position and the persuasiveness of your arguments would be more credible if you tried a more realistic approach. Not many people identify with "all-or-nothing" arguments. There are SOME positive elements to the International Baccalaureate program, and you should acknowledge this.
For instance, itís good for everybody to study a foreign language. You learn English better and more thoroughly when you study the structure of the grammar of another language, and you learn to understand the influences that other languages (Latin, Greek, French, Germanic languages) have had on the development of English.
In another example, foreign trade and exports are important to the American economy. Lots of Americans make money through foreign trade, and itís helpful to study other countries and how their cultures and economies work in order that we can buy and sell things to them.
Now you can make the point that it¬ís not necessary or desireable to adopt the International Baccalaureate program wholesale in order to achieve these and other example goals; fine. But what I seem to be getting from reading your site is that you (mostly anonymous you) donít want to discuss any possible positive benefits or good things about their program. And that weakens the credibility of your argument, because most people canít identify with you. Most people see some good elements in there even if you want to deny them.
I donít agree with your position overall because I donít look at this as black-and-white, all-or-nothing, us-Americans-good them-foreigners-bad. But I applaud you for the significant amount of work youíve put into furthering this important discussion with your web site, which is impressive due to the amount of information youíve put together.
Wheat Williams Norcross, Georgia
First Name: Sarah Last Name: Sherman Address Line 1: America City: America State: America Zip Code: America Country: Earth E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: I find it appalling that in your narrow, ignorant minds, "taking an international approach to education" and "immersion in a foreign language" means "indoctrination." You simply do not know the truth. There certainly may be schools out there who do not effectively communicate IB's goals. But from my experience, being in IB has been nothing but beneficial. Unlike you and the greater majority of America, we are AWARE of what happens in the outside world and we are able to TOLERATE other cultures. Tolerate, not assimilate with. I love my country-- but I also love other cultures. I speak three languages. What, exactly, about ANY of that, is negative?
Prior to IB, I was not in any accelerated program. In middle school, I excelled in mediocrity, and I applied to IB fully believing I would not get in. I got in and attended the school. Yes, it's difficult to get used to at first. But when it clicked, when I understood what I was working towards, I picked my head up off the desk and turned into a model student with a GPA above 4.0 and excellent SAT and ACT scores.
I do not believe that AP is inferior in any way. Both IB and AP have their pros and cons. I agree that sometimes IB dwells on odd things, but with AP, they throw fact after fact at you and if you can't memorize or keep up, you do poorly. In IB, they make damn sure you understand the topic and know it backwards and forwards. A poster in a Chemistry classroom sums up my views on the benefits-- "You don't really understand something until you can explain it to your grandmother." I have taken an AP class (US History). I did just fine, but the history of our country has many, many rich topics that I would have liked to discuss in depth. IB gives the opportunity to not only learn A LOT, but approach the topic from different perspectives.
Before IB, I was a stone cold atheist. God simply did not exist to me. But then when TOK began, I saw how other students who DID believe in God justify their faith (which is an accepted way of knowing), and so I reconsidered: I now DO believe in a deity because IB has given me compelling evidence that there are ways that you CAN assert the presence of a higher power.
We are not being indoctrinated. We are being EDUCATED. This is what scares you. Open your eyes. The rest of the world is a big, big place. We are a young country and many, many of the UN countries have been around much longer than we have. We have to at least accept guidance from our elders to learn how to live a progressive, peaceful existence.
IB is not for everyone. We are elite, and we achieved that status through hard work. We know the value of an honest day's labor.
P.S. The stories of having to stay up until 3 AM every night are largely untrue. Students that procrastinate enough that that's necessary do not belong in IB. I get home from school around 4 and get my homework done in time for a few hours of free time every night.
First Name: Britni Last Name: C Address Line 1: City: State: NJ Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: Comments: For the Pro-IB page:
I graduated from a High School with an IB diploma 4 years ago. I was a dual IB/AP student, and I can truly say that the IB program directly contributed to my success both in college and beyond (much more than AP). I understand that as parents you are very concerned about your child's future and of course you should be. My advice would be to keep an open mind and give the program a chance. If your school can afford it (I realize this is a concern), I personally believe that with the IB program your kids will be getting one of the best educations available in the US.
First Name: Claudia Last Name: Gold Address Line 1: City: Cambridge State: MA Zip Code: 02139 Country: USA E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: This website is absurd and offensive. I didn't have any real attachment to or knowledge of IB before, but your website has convinced me that the people who oppose it are patriotic and xenophobic morons. Great work, racist fools.
Claudia Gold, MIT graduate, class of 2007
First Name: Sean Last Name: Alexander Address Line 1: 2107 Gorman Ave City: Waco State: TX Zip Code: 76707 Country: USA E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: Are you guys out of your fucking minds?? I'm not an IB student, and never was. But you guys are a scary bunch of goddam narrow-minded retards and sure as hell hope you fail miserably on your crusade to keep America and American students from accepting and embracing the fact that there's a whole lot of world out there - and it's just a great of a place as this great country of ours... the trick is to accept it. YOU SHOULD TRY IT.
First Name: Adam Last Name: Smith Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: So, the quoted "thoughts from a TOX examiner" are an example of how IB tests agreement with political ideas, as opposed to the ability to make good arguments? It seems to me that the quoted text actually shows the exact opposite. The examiner was concerned that IB teachers are less concerned with the student's ability to make clear arguments, and more concerned with things like "style." Maybe you could find a better example of your point?
First Name: james Last Name: mikkelson Address Line 1: xxx xxx xxxx City: Shanghai State: shanghai Zip Code: 201107 Country: china E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: I have been involved with the IB for well over 10 years, have taught in Italy, Spain, and now China, have been an IB coordinator, university professor, and IB examiner. I also teach AP English concurrently. I have two earned MA's and two earned doctorates. I only say that to let you know what my bona fides are. Your site is needlessly alarmist. I showed most of my student the site (99.9? of our students go on to some of the finest universities in the world). I am sure some teachers indoctrinate in AP as much as they might in IB, but if the IBO has an agenda to "globalize" the world, it surely is failing. I have issues with the A1 English, as well as with the TOK, but those are the same issues I have with most college prof's promulgating post-modernism in the U. Do you aim to dismantle that? The IB history is hands down better than AP, while I prefer the AP Lit to the IB A1 English. IB science is excellent and probably better than AP Bio/phys/chem. The exam is not t! reated as you suggest, possibly handled by a disgruntled foreigner and marked. That examiner is also moderated by another layer of examiners who determine that her or his marks are consistent. If not, they will alter those marks. It is a very well thought out affair. Reliability and validity may be issues with the TOK essay, but it only amounts to 1.5 points out of the 45 point total. More homework. What bothers me most is how simple minded most of the criticism appears to me here.
First Name: Tim Last Name: Nelson Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: You are a bunch of bigoted nativists who buy into the phony belief in American exceptionalism. Please go fuck yourselves.
First Name: Kristine Last Name: Wagner Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: 23322 Country: United States E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: Hello--I am an IB graduate and I received my diploma in 2008 from Oscar Smith High in Chesapeake, Virginia. I graduated third in my high school class with honors. As a graduate of the program, I would like to assuage some fears about IB.
I was bused to a different high school, but it was not remote, and no one was isolated from their old friends because we all returned home at the end of the day. In addition, we all made new friends within the school that were not in IB.
IB students do identify as a group, but in the same way that a sports team feels comradeship through shared work. We do not come to think the same way, and the word 'groupthink' does not apply . There were liberal and conservative students, and in no way did we agree on ideals. Many teams and clubs have blogs to ask advice and share experiences. We feel a sense of kinship, but no more than any group of casual high school friends do.
I was in no way 'kept away from competing ideas.' We were routinely encouraged to consider all arguments for or against any given philosophy. We had teachers that were conservative and teachers that were more liberal, but their personal opinions didn't enter into classroom discussion.
My program had a compassionate coordinator, but she did not have enough influence over the program or the students to be considered a leader. No one was aware of any special skills or awareness that she may have had.
The IBO does not purport to 'answer all of the questions in life;' becoming a global citizen is not what this means. TOK is a standard epistemology class that investigates human thought and cognition. We talk about the mental methods behind information processing, not a 'path' that leads to any knowledge in particular.
The curriculum was highly structured, but we all had time for other activities. I, myself, was on the varsity soccer team for one year and participated in the chamber orchestra all four years. A critical component of the IB diploma is called CAS (creativity, action, service) where students must show that they have participated in volunteer work, sports, and creative pursuits for a minimum of 150 hours over the last two years of high school. All of those activities are chosen by the student, so it would be impossible for an IB student to give up all other activities.
None of the acronyms we use are secret; they all stand for well-known components of IB. The words 'rigorous,' etc. are not hypnotic. I feel that those words are accurate descriptors of IB work, and are also applicable to other programs like AP. Many IB students took AP exams as well as IB exams.
I have never felt victimized from being an IB student.
I found the IB program to be a good support system for high school, full of helpful students and knowledgeable teachers. Many of my best friends to this day were my fellow IB classmates.
I currently attend the Johns Hopkins University with an academic scholarship. I am confident that my success in the IB program was a significant factor in my acceptance and relative success at Hopkins.
The creators of this web site should be happy to know that my IB program was not dogmatic, nor did it have a liberal bias. My teachers stuck to the academics of the program. We had as much freedom for our own thoughts as any high school student in America had. I don't know of any IB program that influenced the personal opinions of its students. We were all normal high school students, and are all happy, taxpaying US citizens.
First Name: Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: Hm...this site appears to be another example of McCarthy-inspired and anti-intellectual product of Palin's "real America". The IB program isn't forced onto students it's merely one among many educational routes available to students. To suppose that IB seeks to subjugate the American student and indoctrinate him/her into some Marxist cult is simply ignorant fear-mongering. The IB program competes on an open educational market; it seems to me that your "end the IB program" platform seeks to eliminate free choice in the market-- a principle I presume you stand for. To do this under the banner of "patriotism" is just disingenuous and sad.
First Name: Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: I am hping you are only one crazy person. Your website is ridiculous and this statement from your "Overview" is absurd. First, let's establish the fact that TAIB is not a newspaper which supposedly requires non-opinionated reporting of news. Although we happen to believe journalism died in 2008, we do know the difference between a website championing a "cause" and the straight reporting of news. Therefore, any allegations of "bias" which are also frequently lobbed our way are also unfounded as we are not beholden to maintaining a neutral position. We find next to nothing favorable about the programme and make no bones about it. That's not bias, that's honesty." If you can't figure out why it is absurd you are pathetic. Your site would make a wonderful illustration of poor logic and twisted thinking.
First Name: Also an American citizen Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: The depth of your ignorance is impressive.
First Name: Cole Last Name: Harry Address Line 1: 359 Cannon Green Unit E City: Goleta State: CA Zip Code: 93117 Country: USA E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: As a former student of IB, I am disgusted by this website. By propagating this, you are endangering the future of the United States to be competitive in an increasingly global world. IB prepares students to compete on a level beyond our own borders. Like it or not, the face of the world is changing and the U.S. is no longer dominant. It's a fact, not a far-fetched liberal idea. This website makes me sick.
First Name: Grant Last Name: Murphy Address Line 1: 660 W. 28th Stree City: Los Angeles State: California Zip Code: 60565 Country: United States of America E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: Dear TAIB,
May I first start by saying that I am a registered republican in the state of California who is very conservatively minded. I currently attend the University of Southern California and am currently enrolled in the ROTC program there, not for any financial reasons, but because I want to serve my country. I moved to Germany my freshman year of high school and come junior year, I was enrolled in the IB program. I graduated in 2009 and I will tell you, that those two years made me who I am today. I learned so much about what it takes to be a good person. I find it offensive that you claim the IB is a part of the "liberal agenda". I learned to be a better American while taking the IB. I learned how to structure arguments, develop new CONSERVATIVE ideas, and defend myself against a European liberal onslaught. Your website and the arguments are completely unfounded and are based on fear and stupidity. The IB teaches students how to develop their minds, not just memorize facts. I find myself far ahead of my AP peers at USC. Not facts-wise, but in the ability to develop arguments. It teaches you to combat someone's argument by thinking like them. Knowing what your enemy is going to do is more than half the battle. I think you are scared of the world, which does exist out side of our! own beautiful boarders. Also, if you are a true conservative, let the free market decide which program is best. If people feel as though the IB is "corrupting America's youth", the people of America will agree and it will not catch on.
Sincerely, Grant Murphy
First Name: Margaret Last Name: Address Line 1: City: Minneapolis State: MN Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: Shamrock0170@aol.com Comments: Fear is a powerful thing. It upsets me to see parents that are afraid of teaching their children open-mindedness, and this website is the clearest example that I have ever seen of this situation. I went through the IB program in high school and it was the best academic experience I could have possibly asked for. I had the privilege of taking both IB and AP courses and found my IB classes to encourage problem solving and critical thinking, whereas AP tended toward memorization and unified thinking. The AP history test includes a large multiple choice section; the IB test primarily contains essay questions that require students to form their own ideas and opinions. My IB classes more than prepared me for my first year of college, while many AP students struggled with the writing standards that higher education demanded. Thankfully, IB seems to be growing despite your efforts. I'm disappointed that the creators of this website condemn an international education; we all inhabit the same world and educating ourselves about issues and topics beyond America can only improve the way countries coexist.
First Name: Wally Last Name: Dunn Address Line 1: 415 W. 44th Street City: New York State: NY Zip Code: 10036 Country: United States E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: Shame on you. As you proceed with your head in the sand, it's your children who will suffer. Shame on you.
First Name: Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: You need to learn the truths of the International Baccalaureate Programme from actual IB students, teachers, parents, administrators, and advocates before you come to a judgment about something you clearly do not comprehend. You obviously are incapable of understanding that you need both sides of the story in order to get the full picture. Picking and choosing statements, testimonies and rants from IB websites and other sources do not make this website and your opinions valid. You are unable to see that the idea behind IB is for students to learn how to work with all types of people and understand why our nation, people, and our world, are the way they are. It also re-enforces the behaviors necessary to do ones best in college and the work environment, such as the ability to dedicate oneself to something and to learn the value of achievement for hard work. If you are going to be bigots, at least become well informed bigots before you post your inaccurate and hypocritical views for the world to see. You believe in the constitution, and all of its preaching but you do not abide by it. I personally was taught the constitution and all of its amendments in my IBO HISTORY OF THE AMERICAS class, where I learned what really went down. So, why can you not become an accepting and tolerant person to all beliefs and views, and stop trying to eradicate the IB programme when it reinforcing things such as CAS(Community, Action, Service, not that secret of an acronym, take your time to learn what they mean before you call them a ďsecret languageĒ) where students commit time to serving their community, taking a part in healthy activities for action, and become creative thinkers. Thank you for reading this, and I hope you invest your time in something more productive, such as cleaning this giant oil spill.
First Name: I wish Last Name: You Address Line 1: would learn City: to become State: a better Zip Code: american Country: because E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: Grow up. Do some real research. Become a true American.
First Name: Anna Last Name: Thum Address Line 1: 7924 Loretto Avenue City: Philadelphia State: PA Zip Code: 19111 Country: United States E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: Before judging the IB program, participate in it yourself. As an IB student I can tell you that many of the opinions masquerading as facts on this website are incorrect.
First Name: Mitchell Last Name: McCann Address Line 1: City: Philadelphia State: PA Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: Comments: This is in response to "The IB Hidden Curriculum" If you had read/ listened more closely to the speech you would note that the 3 points you infer as describing a "hidden curriculum" pertain not to the IB program alone, or were even meant to describe the IB system. It was a brief synopsis of Mme Maurette's views of how schooling should be handled, not just for IB but for all schools to promote an international awareness. Also, all schools run by this example. -Phrase 1. All schools have a roster, which all students follow. -Phrase 2. Most schools promote or have extra curricular activities. My former school (not a strict IB school, though it did offer it) had over 120 such activities, and each activity helped to further reinforce our learning while providing it with an application to life. -Phrase 3. Any group of people has an informal set of rules. A group of friends will omost likely not insult eachother with bad intent. Of course, they never stated that insults are a crime. They know that its wrong to do so. Through this process of informal rules, people learn the social limits that people have. AKA., their "values". The only exception that IB has to this rule is that it takes particular care to promote international awareness and create a set of values for its students to use when they mature to potentially use their values in any case given by Director General George Walker, "you may go on holiday to a different country or buy property there; you might want to do business there, or work successfully in a mixed-nationality team."
Your phrasing is meant to scare and harm a powerful tool for promoting the future welfare of our country. In a recent study, average Americans (non-IB students) ranked on average 23rd out of the top 30 countries in all major educational subjects, but number one in confidence. If we ever hope to improve our numbers, we need to raise our thinking to that of the other countries, or at least, study a course equivalent to our rivals/allies. The downfall of America will be on heads like yours if you believe that this is for the good of the country.
First Name: Another Concerned Last Name: Citizen Address Line 1: 43 Main Street City: Your Town State: NY Zip Code: 10039 Country: E-mail Address: Comments: Dear concerned citizens, Rather than assuming an antagonistic anonymity, you should come out and state your own identities, financial supporters and agenda, so we know who is attacking IB. Why don't you put links to pro-IB sites on your page and discuss t he way primitive and simple-minded Texans influence the text book agenda in the U.S.Why be so spineless?
First Name: Noneof Last Name: Yourbusiness Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: Your site is a horrific pile of ignorant lies and slander. You should all be ashamed for this retarded attack.
First Name: Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: You are all idiots!!
First Name: Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: poor morons:)
First Name: luminous Last Name: pecker Address Line 1: 421 City: asscrack State: The Heartland Zip Code: 90210 Country: Alabama E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: I need to borrow your retarded monkey to make me a website so i can surf the interwebs.
Thank you and god bless...
First Name: Alex Last Name: Morris Address Line 1: City: Austin State: TX Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: You dumbass, right-wing, conspiracy theorist housewives need to chill the fuck out. Ken Jennings, the man with the longest win streak on your beloved Jeopardy, is an IB Graduate.
Keep spouting your drivel.
2011 Bachelor of Architecture Candidate, University of Texas at Austin School of Architecture
2006 IB Diploma Graduate of Garland High School
First Name: Last Name: Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: Your web site is truly hilarious. Have fun in paranoia-land. Beware the black helicopters !
First Name: Aksh Last Name: Bell Address Line 1: City: Bellevue State: Washington Zip Code: 98008 Country: United States of America E-mail Address: Comments: You make some good points, but IB isn't all that bad. I am an IB student, my older brother was an AP student back when he was in high school. The differences are not that extreme. When he went over my curriculum and such, he felt that IB was slightly more difficult but overall it was about the same. In addition, IB is rarely a cult. I do agree, some people tend to stick with their own IB groups. But it is up to the students to reach out across these so-called barriers to make friends outside of IB. It's not like I only interact with students who are part of the IB program.
First Name: anon Last Name: anon Address Line 1: anon City: anon State: anon Zip Code: anon Country: anon E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: You kids are fighting such a weird battle. Why do you care about this? Obviously you're free to believe, write, and publish whatever you like... but this website is stupid and you should get a life. -IB grad 2004
First Name: Thomas Last Name: Cumming Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: Comments: Please stop. You are making Americans dumber. We are losing respect from the rest of the world and falling behind on social issues at at time when we should be leading. You are promoting an isolationist nationalist ideas that only harm our citizens. Stop it now.
First Name: Meghan Last Name: Address Line 1: City: Louisville State: Kentucky Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: Comments: I came across your site after reading the article about IB in the New York Times. How sad it is that you would deprive kids of such an amazing education. I took IB and AP classes 6 years ago in high school and AP didn't even compare to what IB taught me. Get over your paranoid "everyone is trying to crap on America" outlook on life!
First Name: Craig Last Name: Jolly Address Line 1: City: State: Zip Code: Country: E-mail Address: email@example.com Comments: This website is a ridiculous sham. Why don't you go back to protesting that Obama was actually born in Russia.
I teach the TOK course in an IB school in BC, Canada. I know you're having a lot of fun looking for a conspiracy to undermine American pride in everything American, but I hope you will take heart from the observation that IB is actually as American as... S.A.T. or A.P.
That's because virtually every course is dedicated to student responsibility for what is being learned. Also, the demand is from families who want to get into great programs, like medicine and law, at great universities.
You may know that a huge number of Asians dominate the application process in the IB program. And guess what? They all want to go to Harvard!! Those who soon realize that Harvard is out of the question focus on Stanford. Then on to Princeton, Yale, and so on. Very American!
Actually, the IB is better than AP because the AP system (which I taught before moving over to IB) is an exam system while IB is a rigorous content/curriculum system. Your worry that students are required to embrace internationalism is quite different to the need to understand the world we live in. How can you oppose an understanding of say, China, India, South America, or...yikes!...Canada?
Still, I guess you have a lot more time than the typical IB student to sense a menace in kids who get 99% in Physics, Biology, Chemistry and Math. I find them fun to teach, and they stay in touch for years after leaving my classroom!
A suggestion... Offer an alternative that requires the same emphasis on responsibliity. AP is close... in some cases very close... but not quite at the IB standard. That's verifiable... a route to "truth" I recommend, to my TOK students, and, to you!!
________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Comments: I am truly amazed by the biased of your website. Clearly, your website criticizes the IB program without even critically(!) analyzing other programs. Please re-think the way you edit your website so it could the more faithful to the IB ideology. ~Sarah from Brazil
Comments: You should do more research on IBO. Find a group of ppl who are for an against IB to present an UNBIASED critique. Afterall, truth is based on perception...and different experiences with the program will lend to different verions of the truth of IB. (I learned that in my IB Theory of Knowledge class). Have a great day! ~KD
Comments: I disagree with a lot of you and your readers comments on the IB reading list. I understand some parents don't want their children to read certain materials, but thought provoking content does not have to be seen as negative because it may be hard to swallow. Some sexual content or cursing isn't the purpose of introducing a young mind to the plight of native americans in our country. Reading about someone's call for socialism can educate someone on what someone else considers to be the ideal form of society rather than a anti-US propaganda.
I often wonder what the problem is with young people being introduced to these "bad" things? Is it because we truly believe that it will taint their minds? Or are we afraid that they might understand there is more to life than what we tell them to believe? Just an opinion...not meant to be offensive. Good day. (reply was sent by TAIB)
Thanks for the reply. It is my understanding that the final curriculum and reading list is in fact determined by the administering school and not the IBO. I agree with you that a student's education should be diverse. Especially if they are from the US, a mix of international and US history and teachings would efficiently develop the student's prespective. My problem is I've seen so many people discrediting the IBO for the most absurd reasons. I read a rant about how someone "would never let their child near an IB program," because one of their taglines was promoting "compassionate thinking." It just seems to me that any rhetoric that is not inline with the "stay the course" and "protect our borders" that we've been hearing the past so many years in Anti-American.
As an American living abroad for 3 of the last 4 years (part-time as an ESL teacher), I think it may be beneficial to give US kids a world perspective. We are living in a time where the great majority of the world disapproves of the way we conduct our foreign affairs and I think the IBO has made it clear that they promote a world prespective. Now, if you don't feel there is a healthy mix of quality American literature I agree it should be implemented. Again though, I was under the impression the final decision was made by school administrators. Thanks for your time, ~Michael from Chicago
First Name: Karl Last Name: Marx Address Line 1: Proletariat Road City: Moscow State: Moscow Zip Code: Country: Glorious Russia E-mail Address: Comments: Your website amused me.
Comments: As a current IB student, I firmly with violence in the the claim of intimidation against"committee members to the point of emotional distress" without any factual evidence. Even if such evidence was found, the personal vendetta's of a few can never be proof for the failure of a globally renowned education system. I take offense at your accusations of TOK and the IB's mission statement to become a global citizen. You paint them as
tyrannical, unquestioned philosophies of a cult; a link beyond exaggeration. Have you ever experienced a TOK class yourself? I know that TOK encourages my freedom of speech; my freedom to approach learning from any angle, with any
background support. TOK brought me the ability to organize my thoughts and express MY ideology, forcing nothing upon me. The class is entirely discussion based; free to roam into any area that the class feels personally connected. It is an
expression of the personal values, the cultural backgrounds, and the life perspectives of every class member who participates; a novel, free,and effective method of learning that values the input of students above all. I have never known this kind of free cooperative discovery in any US public school from 3rd grade to 8th grade. That's six years experience before the IB curriculum. I va! lue the freedom of thought in an IB curriculum and the focus on student discovery through discussion. I protest your condemnation of the IB as "leftist" indoctrination. You scare your audience with phrases like: the "IB (is) using their curriculum to indoctrinate our children" (5th paragraph of the home page). You menacingly throw an ignorant view of the IB at parents, taking advantage of their paternal instinct to protect their children when you have NO solid proof that the IB produces communist students. They teach communism on equal grounds with the system of capitalism, far from the biases of the US public school system, who graze over the darker periods of American History, like the Spanish-American War and US imperialism in the Philippines. The IB curriculum shows the two systems for what they are: opposite economic methods. There is no lean either way. I doubt your audience appreciates your manipulation of fear with condemning words like "indoctrination." If you want a true perspective on the system, ask current students and alumni instead of making false ass! ociations with the evil of cults to support your view. I have yet to find any truth in this site. I recommend you change your title, and rid your site of manipulative, fear brewing statements. I firmly ask you to remove the section, "Is IB a Cult?" from your site, as it is imposing on the emotions of your audience, and perpetuating ignorance in our society. If you want to criticize the IB, please come up with concrete, well supported, arguments that aren't ignorant associations. If you need any suggestions from an IB student with 3 and a half years of personal experience in a free, helpful, and encouraging education system, feel free to contact me. ~Anonymous
Comments: this is a biased site. IB is a great program. i should know, i take it, not my fault you guys can't handle it. FYI, if IB is a cult then so is AP ~Anonymous
Comments:Seriously, why are you so jealous of the excellent results of the students from ACS(I) who studied hard and deserved nothing less? Dont tell me you are not jealous, because this website is a proof of your extreme jealousy.. I am sure you are all grown-ups.. so GET A FUCKING LIFE! ~Kaung from Singapore Comments: As an IB student, this website provides information that is innacurate and just plain wrong. As to the creator of this site, you are not in an IB school so you do not know what you speak. ~Kaitlyn from VA
Comments: Why do you tout Jay Mathews' anti-IB Mathematics article, and then criticize him as loving the IB in another page on your site because of his Newsweek ranking articles? isn't that a bit hypocritical?
If you actually knew Mr Mathews, you would know he is one of the most skeptical people in DC about the IB and whether it
actually benefits students. Go ahead. Call him. Ask him to sit down for a chat. He is leary as to whether or not it works in
the school districts that are in nearby MD, VA and DC.
Don't believe me? Then you don't stand behind anything you say, most of which is hogwash anyway.
IB is one of the most rigorously thought out curriculums and assessed evaluations students can go through in the world. AP doesn't come close to the level of scrutiny IB schools must go through the actual IB before they can offer the actual curriculum.
Don't like the curriculum offered? Do you agree with your kids being taught about Hinduism, Marxism and the current conflict in Iraq? The War of 1967? Reading various literary works by Eastern and Western authors? Taking art and music?
Not much different than IB then, except IB is a heck of a lot more challenging, incorporates community service, foreign language, and encourages students and teachers to think outside of the box, to look at local history and events and community, and make the international leap to connect the two. ~LM from Ronkonkoma, NY
Comments: As a candidate for the International Baccalaureate diploma, I question the motives of the so-called "concerned citizens of the United States of America." This is not because of the content of the website, necessarily, but because of the complete anonymity of the website's authors' identities. As an interested party, as well as someone who prefers to be informed in an unbiased manner, it would please me to be made aware as to the credentials of this website's webmasters. -JC
Comments: "I'm, uh, just wondering-wherever would you get the idea that IB has a liberal bias? We read right-leaning material quite often in class; as much as we come across leftist stuff, in fact... To be honest, if you want anybody to take y'all seriously, you've got to quit with the inflammatory tactics. This sounds like a website that Bill O'Reilly could've coauthored, and that's... that's not really a compliment." ~Ayn
Editor's note: TAIB is quite flattered to be compared to Bill O'Reilly.
First Name: whyis Last Name: thisrequired Address Line 1: lolat City: redneck town State: americalol Zip Code: 66666 Country: canadia E-mail Address: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: amazing how stupid americans consider IB a 'cult'... and concerned citizens of the USA? considering a large portions of IB students are overseas students who have a bias against idiot americans like you who'd sue over a shrunken t-shirt, i'm glad you've helped us by identifying yourselves as idiots first.
Comments: The points of complaint aired on this site quite simply make me laugh. I take the IB, so am in a position to know more about it than anybody reading from a distance. Being honest, if I could do this all again, I'd take A Levels because the IB is badly managed at my school. However, if I am to maintain this honesty, I have to tell you that the problems listed on this site are bogus.
Do colleges favour the IB? Well, as a college, would you admit to discriminating like that?! No, of course you wouldn't. Smart people take all kinds of educational programme. What colleges discriminate by are grades and interview performance. The IB allows for greater distinction between grades (unlike A Level) and therefore candidates, and also gives students many more opportunities than normal courses for acquiring the sorts of skills universities want. Independent learning, independent research, independent views, ability to spot bias, ability to speak a language and have a broad background... it goes on. Not all IB students are going to be better, so it'd be thick to say that colleges always prefer it, but the sorts of tasks required by the IB just help you become better rounded, and people can see and experience this in an interview. Simple as.
Does the IB try to pollute our minds with leftist thought? Only if it is only 'leftists' who are allowed to have thoughts!! This idea is such a joke. Ask a selection of IB students what their views are, ask non-IB what their views are, shock horror, they're the same spread. Unless you think that the
educational system shouldn't expose anybody to any thoughts which are not bigoted, close minded and conservative, you cannot possibly think this has a leg to stand on. Even those exam papers which you have decided are 'unamerican' (since when did all americans have to think the same thing?!) are a joke. How are we expected to critically evaluate, look at, understand, observe, study etc. other societies and groups of thought if we censor anything which we don't agree with? The exams are TESTING SKILLS. Skills of critical thought and analysis. They could have given a pro-Bin Laden text and it'd still be fine. You don't have to agree with everything you read to be able to evaluate it. Surprisingly, this actually gives grounds for criticism and bias discussion if we don't agree with something. Do you think that seeing a source of Nazi propaganda means we're all "oh look, correct!". You must be joking.
IB controls timetables!! Yes, it does. What, would you rather AP controlled the timetable? Does it actually matter? No, it doesn't. IB is actually controlled by A Level timetable at my school and we have hideous lessons after school, sometimes with no lunch etc etc. That somebody invented a timetable which can take both in at once and provide adequate teaching for both at once is to be admired. IB is a timetabling nightmare because of all the options. If somebody can't remember something from one day to the next because they have the same timetable I have (and have had ever since I was 7), they have a
problem. How do they expect to remember it for exams if 24 hours represents a struggle? People just adapt to new scenarios, and the IB is dun-dun-dun not responsible for school timetabling. Schools mess that up themselves.
IB uses biased sources for history!! AAHHHHH! Oh no, is it because the cornerstone of history is to deduce bias, comment on it and try to construct a realistic theory of events from sources even if they are biased?? The horror of ... erm... history.
Isolate them in new surroundings apart from old friends or reference-points. Yes, we are all kept in cages and spun round with a blindfold on so we don't know where we are! No wait. Most of my old friends did IB with me, and I see those that didn't approximately every break time, lunch time, after school and pretty much every time they're not lessons. Or are we all meant to do the same AP subjects, sit in the same classrooms and god forbid we don't all go to university together and live in the same building!! What is wrong with you people? Clearly we are not isolated, in new surroundings (they have been the same surroundings for years) or actually anything new. Of course, new things are intrinsically bad in any case, however would we learn to live if something changed...
Provide them with instant acceptance from a seemingly loving group. Yes. I instantly get on with everybody who also takes the IB, regardless of unpleasantness, personal hygiene or anything else. And of course I form nothing but false relationships with people. The IB made me. .. I like and dislike the same people, get on well with people in my classes, as I have done throughout my life, and am pretty sure that my 'seemingly loving' group isn't an illusion which'll send me to counselling for trauma in later life. I identify with other IB people. Do you identify with people who work with you? Is it because you do the same job, so have something in common? What are we meant to be, misanthropes?!
Keep them away from competing or critical ideas. This is actually the complete opposite of what happens. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WORDS MEAN ANY MORE. (emphasis TAIB's)You try and define knowledge, find 48768 conflicting ideas on the issue and see if you can say we don't look at conflicting ideas. We don't read about 2 random authors. Oh my gosh. Come to think of it.. what recommended authors? Our school picks the authors. Neither of those people fit into 'world literature'. Do AP people also have to read from a specific list of authors drawn up by you? We read about plenty of conflicting views and ideas, and the whole point of the IB is that it's competition to get the best grades. Like every other graded system in the whole world is. Try reading Sartre & Descartes and reconciling them together, THEN declare absence of conflicting ideas.
Provide an authority figure that everyone seems to acknowledge as having some special skill or awareness. Our IB coordinator couldn't tell a chicken from a sheep if given an encylopedia, some binoculars and a novel titled "CHICKEN:SHEEP THE UNDYING DIFFERENCES". This is a very random point, if you ask me.
Provide a philosophy that seems logical and appears to answer all or the most important questions in life. TOK doesn't answer any questions. It makes you ask questions about what you thought you used to know, realise you're actually not so sure about the eventually have to take your own decision as to where you stand. The day TOK answers any question about anything important, I will eat my hat. The whole course was a waste of time for anybody capable of thinking critically before, in my opinion.
Structure all or most activities so that there is little time for privacy or independent action or thought, provide a sense of "us" versus "them". Most people have had to take up these activities to start doing CAS. People who stay up until 4 are insane, want to get the best grades, and think that is how to achieve it. The IB is hard work BECAUSE you have to do all these things. For every person who gives up playing an instrument (and fails CAS), somebody takes one up for the same reason. Arguably any big
course means people have less time if they want to study. Why is the IB special (especially when it actually encourages activities)?
Promise instant or imminent solutions to deep or long-term problems. Where? Last time I checked, doing AP exams also got you into colleges... and A Levels...
Employ covert or disguised hypnotic techniques. Heeheehee. Absolute LOL. There are no more words for this than that. You try saying International Baccalaureate instead of IB, extended essay instead of EE, higher level instead of HL... and discover why the human race invented acronyms in the first place. As for your 'soundbites', I really wish I knew where you were coming from on that one. Words in the english language often have meanings. Are some of them to be banned or something? You know, because they have special hypnotising properties which leave you thinking 'IBIBIB'? Actually, you should remove them from the site. Also the word 'pneumonia' should not be used as it encourages leftist (aka evil, heretical) thought.
"According to the IBO website, "IB puts everything in perspective". But WHOSE perspective? That is the question. Delivered from the perspective of secular humanists, is it fair to ask minors to put aside religious and family values and rely solely upon the opinions of philosophical atheists such as Neitsche and Kant to determine what correct knowledge is?" Firstly, Nietzsche (spelt like that) and Kant are Philosophers and do not appear in TOK. Secondly, it puts what you think into YOUR perspective. It makes you think about WHY we think everything, and tells you absolutely nothing about what you should think. If, after realising that you only think God exists because your parents told you and that actually, upon reflection, they also told you about the tooth fairy and look where that ended up... you can. Most people just sleep through those lessons.
As for the person who chose to do their essay on abortion, I can tell you that they will have got very bad marks. Firstly because their essay may well have been sent to one of you guys ('redneck conservatives'), and secondly because it makes a random unsubstantiated assertion. Many AP students have the same point of view, but it's not the fault of the 'AP People'.
I don't like the IB but not liking something doesn't mean you can make up lies about it. I don't like Bananas but I'm not the owner of truthaboutbananas.com in which I claim that millions of people die of potassium poisoning from eating them and that the colour yellow, being the colour of cowardice, encourages anti-american thought...
Comments: "All you need to know about the Programme (but were afraid to ask"? You need a little more than to read a biased, right-wing website that slanders the Programme before deciding whether or not IB is right for you. If you don't agree with the IB Philosophy, DON'T TAKE IT! Has anyone responsible for this website actually completed the full diploma programme? It really doesn't sound like it. Yes, IB can be very consuming at times, but it teaches students global and critical awareness, as well as academic curiosity and the ability to work hard. Just because you're still living in the Red Terror days and fear that IB has a hidden agenda to finally realize Marx's goals of worldwide communism doesn't give you the right to act like you understand the diploma programme. Stop trying to compare it to AP or regular high school curriculum. They all serve different purposes.
Comments: Wow, what a shame that you are so closed-minded to attack such a fine program that strives to create such values within students that include caring, reflective, and thinkers. Apparantly you would be happier if we continued to educate our students using the same methodologies as we did 100 years ago. It's time to update our educational system. I am not saying the IB program is for every student or school. But there is certainly nothing wrong with having a few focus schools that offer students this unique program. Comments: As an IBer, i laughed at this website. The "concerned citizens of the United States of America" should educate themselves. You claim to investigate your claims, but you can't see past your huge bias. I think its very important for our school (Millard north, you interviewed our cooridinator) to actually expose the students to something besides their generally conservative views they get from their parents. I saw no flaws in the reading list? Please elaborate on why you are terrified of these novels. What is wrong with the comrodery that IB students feel? They feel the same bond that any sports team creates. I don't see you attacking that idea. Also the bullshit about staying up till 4 am doing homework and giving up activities is a lie. I go to bed at 11 every night and am still in 7 clubs being president to a majority. IB is a wonderful opportunity to push the students to carry themselves to higher limits and higher education. I do want to be aware of different view points. I don't want to be limited to this ridiculous one sided view, which your website is. And all that blackmailing and violence for people against IB is wrong. I have not once heard that. IB and AP dwell happily in my school and although there are competitions between the two, there isn't horrible consequences. And I do not feel at all that IB favors left wing textbooks etc. We have both. We encourage all the sides of an arguement. I pity the fact that you people are terrified of anything questioning your core values. I am a better, more educated person. So what its international. Thank GOD! Now some people will actually learn where other countries are and information about them. Instead of the bullshit that America is the best country and everyone should learn english! woo. No. Thats disgusting. I hope you actually open your mind and allow other sides of information filter into you. Because we aren't brain washed. And so what that Mr. Daughterigde knows the fact from IBO. Its his job. Comments: This site uses such a fear factor and such extremes to try and demonize IB that it looses sight of any sensible arguments against this program. I strongly believe that if you don't like it...then don't do it. So many things are wrong with your reasoning that I suggest you actually talk to an IB teacher or get in contact with IB headquarters to get your facts straight. I understand this site and advocates of this site will probably disregard what I am saying as a brainwashing scheme to destroy the soul of America...but IB creates leaders for the United States instead by providing them with the skills needed to survive in this world. ~Amelia Comments: "Don't be fooled. It should also be noted that an IB Certificate is nothing more than a receipt of the test fee and report of the grade achieved by a student. An IB Certificate is issued whether the student passes or fails the exam. Therefore, there is no such animal as an "IB Certificate Candidate", since every student receives one as long as they submit their test fee and write their name on the test. In introductions to the IB program, parents are falsely led to believe that an IB Certificate is something prestigious that must be earned. This is simply not the case."
This is very misleading. You make the program sound dumb and like a waste of time. I am currently enrolled in the program, and while I have considered dropping out, it definitely is a prestigious program. If you are going to mention how the the certificate is "falsely led to believe that an IB Certificate is something prestigious that must be earned", at least mention the IB Diploma which a student receives AFTER going through the prestigious program and working their asses off for over 2 years. I don't know who you know who said that but they probably meant to be a Diploma candidate.
And you have your costs wrong. I paid well over $100 for each IB exam I took this year. ~Hannah Comments: Please read up on Mikhail Gorbachev and realize that he was one of the people who sought to bring down Communism in the name of an open, free enterprise market (PERESTROIKA) and cultural openness towards the west (GLASNOST). Your label of "avowed Communist" simply does not fit.
Also, thinking in a non-America-centered point of view is not "unpatriotic", it's realistic. Afterall, you're probably a Christian Fascist and doesn't God say that there is no God before him... thus, why are you praising something like a "nation" that will cease to exist after the apocalypse??
People like you amaze me. You are a dying breed and hopefully you will not exist for much longer. ~"intelligent educated person" Comments: Hey guys, not everyone believes in the same values you do. You might want to save your energy for when they try taking away your side of the diversity in education. If your against IB, don't support it. I don't think you realize how intolerant it is to try to make everyone conform to your values and beliefs in this way. ~anonymous
Comments: You are all fascist idiots! ~anonymous Comments: To Whom It May Concern: I am at a public high school with the IB program, and I would simply like to set aside some of the concerns that your organization has concerning the IB program. They are perfectly understandable as I had the same concerns when I first entered the program, which is why I entered with a very wary mindset. I closely analyzed all that happened in the classroom ready to leave at the first sign of danger. I now am a graduating senior of the IB program and am happy to report that it has been one of the best things for me as a person to do. First let me set aside some concerns. I entered the program as a conservative patriotic American who was proud of my country and all that it stood for. I am now leaving as a conservative, patriotic Republican who is even more convinced of the greatness of the United States and all that it does for the world. IB actually brought me to this conclusion. To set aside another concern, IB is not run by the UN. Through the IB program I hav! e realized what a useless waste of money the United Nations actually is; it is far from controlling my mind or my schooling. My IB experience has been wonderful. I learned how to manage time, analyze things critically, come to my own conclusions, and do my best in all that I try to do. I learned to stand up to my beliefs and to discuss issues with others. Contrary to popular belief I went through the entire IB program without a single sip of caffeine or without staying up past eleven on any given school night. I even took two electives (orchestra and another church class) every semester in addition to my IB classes. Overall my experience with IB was a life-changing one, but one that changed me for the better and made me into a better American. I am so glad that there are others out there so concerned for our future, and I hope that you will go to an IB school for yourself. ~Melissa
Comments: I find this website disappointing. The support of assertions was weak or non-existant. The site navigation and layout is poor. The site seems unsure of its points. I will be joining the full blown IB programme shortly, and I found quite a lack of information on your site. You refer to things by their full titles rather than the acronyms that students and parents will hear at meetings, possibly leading to confusion and mis-communication. I found no section on the basics of IB, explaining the classes, requirements, etc. I hope that you will be able to clear up these points in the future for a better public image, because your site comes across as uneducated, inflamitory and reactionary.
I am very sorry for the poor spelling and sentance construction in this comment, along with my own unsupported assertions and flawed argument. I am being something of a hypocrit, and for that I apologize. ~Sophia, FL Comments: I can acurately debate every single sentence transcribed in this ill organized jumbled hate rant. ~Janice Jackson
Comments: to say that america is the best in the world shows how much of a right winger you are(i read ur comment on http://www.thethinkingstick.com/ib-program-under-fire-in-the-us. unless youve been to and lived in every single country in the world THEN can you say america is the best, and NO im not an ib student i just felt i had to address that comment. and of course, thats your OPINION. to insult the other poster because she doesnt agree with your OPINION shows your character.and what does kids talking high school classes have to do about america turning socialist? if anything, its people LIKE YOU who are brainwashed by media propaganda. expand ur horizons. ~Judith
Comments: Please post this in Your IB Pro section:
I am a IB student, that has lived in america, Thailand and Ireland. I have studied all country courses and understand how they operate. American AP Is a good course and Is is more advanced in some aspects, however we are talking About an ADVANCED PLACEMENT COURSE. Standard american education lacks substance. I can say this without bias because I have studied and done my GCSE (general certificate of secondary education) Which is british, and it is far superior to any american standard course, and that is the british standard. Having lived in america I know what wonderful people live there, however I know how closed minded you can be. IB is a Global course. It costs money to run the whole operation smoothly. AP is mostly america. MOst of my friends have taken sats, but never sta american AP subjects. Ib is a fantastic course. Everyone is entitled to opinions, but creating a site purely to undermine the intention of the IB philosophy is just plain retarded. "this website is bu! ilt and maintained by concerned citizens of the united stats of america" More like "build by a bunch of parents (mostly comprised of mothers)who are house wifes and have so much time they have to bitch, moan and upset every one that does IB. IB IS a powerful course. I feel bad for your kids being subjected to your low tolerance to an internation course, and possibly the views on the world that surrounds them. Shame on you. This is a hate site. If this was a person you would be seriously racist. EVERYONE HAS OPINIONS,but the world is against you on this one ( just like your war to obtain find secret non existent weapons of non mass destruction. Probably an underground storage of dildos . ~Shaun
Comments: As an edcuator with 19 years experience in traditional public schools in New York and New Jersey, I have spent the past year teaching at an IB school in California. The difference IS obvious. In a traditional public school, students are taught to the test, and critical thinking skills are not valued. In an IB school, critical thinking skills are highly valued. Furthermore, our students spent a LOT of time doing oral presentations, which will set them up with a valuable skill to use in the work force. I'm not sure what qualifies you or your organization to comment on both systems, so perhaps you should listen to someone who is an award-winning teacher and has taught in both systems. IB is more rigorous, and a much better plan for our educational system. ~Chris T., San Diego
Comments: this is ridiculous. IB has taught me a lot the i would not get from the victorian equivilant. one thing it has taught me is the us of propogation techniques which is one element of social psychology. you're site focuses on the few negative aspects of IB. You're examples of IB papers fail to show any positive examples let alone the other subjects available in IB. Also, any poorly selected material such as reading material is not the fault of IB but of the schools choices. As you're site said, there is no prescribed reading lists.
I can assure you, as an Ib student who commenced the diploma program last year (2008), IB is not a cult and the notion is absurd. Perhaps it'd just America that is obscene. ~from Australia Comments: is this site a joke?? this is actually the biggest load of shit ever. otherwise the 'concerned citizens' of the USA are just really fucked and need to get a life. ~anonymous
Comments: you guys are idiots i love the ib program i feel that all my work has really prepared me for life there is a reeason for the work it is perstigious i learn so much more than i would from a normal american highschool ~anonymous
Comments: I'm not saying the IB has a connection to the UN, but if they ever DID what is your problem with that? if you're so right-winged and patriotic you'd realize that the US holds a large power within the UN and has the power to veto whatever decision is made. If you're so patriotic then trust your damn government especially when they hold this much power within the UN. Oh, and god forbid ANYBODY would be international-minded because I mean that's opening up all views and allowing us to make our own decisions. Sorry if we're not bombarded with a curriculum full of right-winged conservative redneck bullshit. We are exposed to all different types of views and what your site is suggesting is that we support right-wing without even offering any form of alternate education program? How is it fair for one to be educated on one point of view all their lives? Maybe you should take into consideration that the reason you think we're all left-ist DEVILS is because we're in a curriculum that allows us to explore all types of perspectives and we've chosen what we think we personally believe in. Also, if you haven't been living under a rock, most the world is left-ist and so is most your country (What with the PRESIDENT being left-ist) which BY THE WAY you guys vote for. my ass is more "patriotic". also" But until then, all IB schools can only use the same method as the poorest school in the poorest country in the world." Well, that's enlightening. Isn't it good to know that American taxpayers have to keep shelling out ridiculous amounts for shipping costs while we wait for Zimbabwe to catch up with us? Is that the kind of 21st century education IBO REALLY sells? The more we hear, the worse it gets. " THAT IS SO UNSENSITIVE. nice, go attack zimbabwe, for no aparant reason...you just pick that RANDOM african country. shows how you right-ist conservative fucks are still racist. (by the way i'm white) picking on a RANDOM country? applying all the connotations of them not being as fortunate as the "western world"? also, you haven't heard that THE REST OF THE WORLD HATE AMERICA BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU? oh, and by the way because you are so patriarchal i'm sure your country would be proud of the way you're conducting yourself on this website. but who cares right? you're allowed to be a little hypocrite fuck because your entire country was based upon the concept of freedom and slavery OH THE HYPOCRISY.
Comments: I am a current IB and AP student. Please do not dismiss me just because I chose this course of study. I have found that both have advantages, and both have shortcomings.
AP has numerous advantages over the IB program. The flexibility while retaining a high standard of education is an incredible benefit to students that wish to set themselves up for a successful life. AP testing is /the/ standard in America, and nearly 100% of high school students know of its prestige.
AP has downfalls as well. Firstly, (as with all organizations that need to turn a profit), the "College Board" over-charges. IB does it as well: testing should not cost as much as it does. Also, I have noticed AP classes "jam" too much because of the fact they are one year courses. My AP Chemistry class is all about cramming for the test instead of mastering knowledge useful for those that wish to pursue a career in science.
IB too, has its advantages. IB HL classes do cover more broad areas, more in depth than their AP counterparts. Obviously, this is due to the fact that they are two years long. That is a reason I prefer some IB courses to AP. Some IB courses, for my educational path, outweigh AP. For example, IB Biology and Mathematics HL will better prepare me, and give me more perspective than AP can. I'm sorry, but two years of study is most certainly better than one(In this context). I am choosing AP English and History courses due to their flexibility, and relevance to my life. IB English is not a bad class to take. IB Euro is not either. It merely is not what I am looking for in my life.
I can understand your frustration with the IB program. Your school board was absolutely wrong in their doings, however I do not believe that IB is to blame. Do you realize that AP and IB are one in the same, the differences are extremely minor, relatively. AP is as good as IB, while the converse is as true. Patriotic citizens of America are people that can respectfully discus opinions with others. Diplomacy in this world has become a lost art. People are too caught up in grouping when they forget the basic principle of humanity: We all are humans. Of the kingdom Animalia; Class Mammalia; Genus Homo.
You have done an incredible job in gathering information. However, as a real student with no (you know what I mean here, by the way) bias towards either AP or IB, I must disagree with the way you have presented it. Instead of dedicating a majority of your site to reasons why IB is bad for America, you could talk about it as a supplement to AP and vice versa. The two videos on your homepage are not factual in their content. I strongly consider removing them in order to maintain a sense of professionalism.
Thank you for reading this. You must spend a lot of your time reading an awful lot of garbage from inarticulate people and it is probably rare to read something that doesn't try to outright bash you. I'd much enjoy it if you'd email me back so we can discuss further. I'm interested in this website, not as propaganda against the IB program, but as a resource used for people who truly want to accurately compare them.
Again, email me if you wish to discus further. Thank you for your time, and please remember I am not trying to undermine or attack you in anyway.
:) Have a nice day. ~ Name withheld by request, MN
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Comments: I find it extremely disappointing that a site like this would be omplied. As a student curently undertaking the IB, I understand that it, like every other curriculum, has some flaws. However, to maintain a website for the sole purpose of stating bias, and often unfounded opinions about the IB is ridiculous. Not only do I firmly believe that you are wasting time, and possibly a great deal of money that could be used for far better purposes, but you are also delivering information that is entirely biased and inaccurate. I question whether anyone who contributes to this website has actually completed the IB course, as many comments seem to be utterly absurd.
Finally, the opinions on this website only confirm to me the narrow-mindedness of many Americans, proving the great need of a curriculum life the IB in today's society. The mission of the IB is to bring students out of the egocentrical attitudes we have suffered for over last last few hundred years. Internation understanding, compassion and awareness never did any harm. It is about time you woke up and realised that the "truth" you claim to provide is in fact mere opinion. As I have already seen from other comments, I am not the only person who feels this way.
I hope that you finally realise the mistake you are making when you criticise the IB in this manner. Again, I am not saying that the IB is without flaws, but I truly believe that a curriculum that promotes internation awareness can do no harm, especially considering that we live in an ever shrinking world. Globalisation is a fact, and it is time America realised that they are not the only country in the world, as do you. -anonymous
Comments: I think your site comes with a certain amount of arrogance which is what IB tries to avoid through its "global citizen" initiative. Excessive passion and defensiveness about things like 9/11 are not "internationally minded." IB promotes, through its curriculum, learning about other countries' perspectives in events, for example through IB World History (not American, Muslim, etc. WORLD). In this class, we look at causes and circumstances that lead to WWI, not just that "Germany caused the war". This is internationally minded, and unfortunately may go against American ideals and perspectives. I believe that a bit of world perspective could do American students some good, and your site could use some too. For things such as 9/11, maybe it would be worthwhile to think of the circumstances leading up to the event, instead of just thinking of the US as the victim. As a Canadian, I feel that I've been brought up lacking the huge amount of patriotism present in Americans, though that does not mean I do not love my country. I do, but I do not identify myself so quickly by nationality (in RE: "This web site is built and maintained by concerned citizens of the United States of America" and the US Flag on the Home Page). I think that the IB curriculum is geared to reverse those attitudes, the exact ones that won't let you embrace it. Please, instead of picking the American way, look at the world and accept that you are a World Citizen, not solely an American citizen. The IB programme is meant for people like you. (TAIB replied and received the following:) Our socialist-style healthcare system works wonderfully, thank you. I don't have to worry about getting the care I need when I need it, I don't have to decide to not go to the hospital when I am sick or injured because I can't afford it. Tell that to the American mother who has to decide between a life saving surgery or feeding her family.
For the record, I do not downplay tragedies for innocent civilians such as in 9/11, but I also don't think a "War on Terror" is an effective way against it: let's fight violence with more violence, that will convince the jihadists that they are wrong. You are proving them right.
In the age we live in, and with the advent of such technologies as the internet, it is important to be part of the "New World Order", or more simply just an international citizen. Sure, Canadians can be proud of hockey and their country, Americans can be proud of their way of life, but there is something to be said for also being able to be a proud citizen of a world in which we can all work together, share information, and share power among the world. I think that is what IB is about. You may disagree, but it is important to see other points of view in reference to events like 9/11, wars, international relations, etc. ~ Matt, Canada
Comments: I have read much of the content of your site and am deeply saddened by it. It claims to be the truth about the IB, but what it is is a site with an agenda that uses selective 'truths' to justify this agenda. It is full of filtered stories, which are supposed to support the general proposition. It suggests that IB schools or students are homogeneous entities which is palpably incorrect. I taught in a UK IB school offering the IB alongside A levels with a Christian ethos (chapel three times a week) and a staff who tended to the conservative. None of my colleagues found it difficult to teach the IB, nor felt subverted by it because it is merely a syllabus. The school ethos determines the approach. The idea that the IB posseses cult like properties is farcical and undermines much of the credibility of your arguments.
Examinations are predominantly skill based, but the delivery of the curriculum requires that a balanced view is presented, but does not predetermine the outcome - just expects student to support their opinion with appropriate evidence.
I think you would struggle to find any examples of an examination paper of mark scheme that required any political viewpoint. I teach business and economics, which are hardly 'left wing' subjects, nor do they require a political 'bent'. What subversion to you fear? Is the IB anti-American? Well it is an internationally based organisation, and is not intended to be centred on American 'values' - whatever you perceive them to be. Is that the issue? Do IB graduates subvert American culture and society? Is it expensive - probably relatively - but what does this prove?
I fear that your site is likely to support generally unfounded views of the US from non-Americans of a narrow-minded, inward-looking society. This is a real shame as this does not support my view of the Americans I have met on educational conferences and when on vacation which has been very positive. It is quite clear that most of your 'ideas' are based on US examples and that your knowledge of the operation of the IB is severely limited. Of course, the IB has its flaws - what education system or curriculum does not? I have little doubt that some of your points, in a US context, may have substance - but that in itself suggests that a dialogue would be more appropriate than the biased diatribe you present. In general (note not always) the IB provides a rigorous and varied curriculum which develops foundations for rounded individuals to move into the adult world of employment.
I would like to say that my contribution contains no profanities or views unsuitable for young readers - yet another value laden comment appended to the only section that might question your opinions. Finally a question - can you be a concerned citizen of the United States of America and still think the IB is a good examination experience or are the two positions mutually exclusive? ~ Paul, London
Comments: Hello, my name is Theo, im 18 and just happen to stumbled across your site. I just got my IB diploma last June, I achieved 29 points, and in case your not familiar with the point system means i did all right (its out of 44), or at least good enough to get into the university that i really wanted to get into to study 3D animation.
My father started teaching at an ib school 20 years ago and that has givin me the pleasure of studying there my whole life, and am sure if i was in any other system i would probibly still be failing 9th grade with plan to ever go to college.
i am in disbelief at you're web site, i mean really? when i see stuff like this i start to doubt evolution (congratulation); as well as doing it in the name of America as you clearly are doing by plastering the statue of liberty on your home page and the "American way". I have nothing against America, I happen to live in Belgium but visit extended family in the states regularly as well as my sister who is in her 3erd year at the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado (she got in by scoring high on the ib, USAF was impressed :)).
buuuut I'm not writing this email to present rational arguments (as you most likely oppose to THAT system as well), im writing it to go on an unnecessarily long rant that you will make you hate the system and its students even more. So to conclude (the following will be more accurate to my attitude if you read it like im yelling it at your ear hole) just because your dumbass kid couldn't pass the IB.... or DID pass the IB but came out of it educated enough to realize s/he needs to marry out side you're family tree, which at this point probably looks like two fuckin lines on a page, doesn't mean the system is flawed. Your an embarrassment to a countrey that is constantly sterotyped because of people like you. Climb back up Glenn becks ass hole and STFU!!!!!!!!!! I in no way represent the attitude of the IB, just a kid going somewhere in life because of a good system, utilising freedom of speech.... ya cunt. but i doubt you got this far, but if you did.... again, fuck you
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Comment:To whom it may concern,
Your website makes me very sad. I'm sorry that you don't understand what the IB is all about. It's a curriculum designed to develop well-rounded students who will go on to be lifelong learners and, to me, it's the only positive thing education in the US has going for it. Statistically, IB Diploma Programme candidates consistently out-perform both AP and A-levels students (you can find information on the latter in the recent HESA report). DP students don't just out-perform AP and A-levels students academically. The IB kids out-perform the others for the rest of their lives. The HESA report states that IB students will have greater academic success in college, will be more likely to pursue advanced degrees and will even have higher salaries than A-levels students.
I was an AP student and I did get quite a lot out of the courses I took. I felt challenged in high school and prepared for college. However, I only took a handful of AP courses and they had nothing to do with each other. The IB Diploma Programme is a whole curriculum that seeks to foster connections across all subjects. In fact, there are whole teacher training workshops devoted to helping teachers effectively make those connections in the classroom. I remember how excited I was as a student when I felt like something from my history class related very specifically to something from my French class. Imagine making connections like that every day rather than at random.
What really makes me sad, though, is that you're rejecting an organization whose mission is all about bringing the world together through a demanding education that fosters intercultural connections and respect. With the MIddle East falling to pieces and the host of other issues that are going on in the world today, isn't that mission a good thing?
You state that the IB is only after profit. However, the organization is currently working on increasing access to the programmes, especially in the developing world. Have a look at the Access and Advancement page on the IB website for more information.
I urge you to take a closer look at this incredible organization, but this time with an open mind. See if you can find the good in it, as so many others have. I really believe in this organization and I think it is doing and will continue to do truly wonderful things in the world.
I respect your opinion. You are entitled to believe what you want to believe. However, when you bash the IB or talk about how it "indoctrinates" children from a young age, please try to remember that "other people, with their differences, can also be right."